I’ve cut and pasted in the chat room chat below from today’s webcast. Blue is who. Black is what they asked/said. Red is answers and pointers from me.
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I can hear faint music. When I increase the volume the hiss is high as well.
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you may also follow the energy literacy (energyliteracy.com) blog on twitter at energyliteracy
You can also go to www.wattzon.com to do similar estimates and pie charts of your own energy consumption.
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Why use QDesign Music codec for this live webcast ? I can’t use this audio codec under GNU/Linux
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oof, 9.1kbps
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Can’t justify transatlantic dial-in so that will have to do
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Hello !
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is there video to this, or only audio?
from Michael Pastore to All Participants:
there is video, also
from nicole minor to All Participants:
how do you access it? i am streaming the audio, but no video
from nicole minor to All Participants:
oh, i see the slides
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vdeo is OK
from nicole minor to All Participants:
did they say this would be archived somewhere?
A similar talk is archived at : http://www.energyliteracy.com/?p=24 and more similar talks and presentations are there. you can use the slides if you wish. All CC.
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from Michael Pastore to All Participants:
Yes, Nicole. You will be able to watch this presentation online, in a few weeks.
from nicole minor to All Participants:
great!
from Andy Turudic to All Participants:
nicole – please stop being so high maintenance and sit back, relax and LISTEN
from Pat Walsh to All Participants:
I like the apple plug….smooth
This was not an apple plug. They greenwash with the best of them, and are not transparent about their supply chain and energy use and carbon. This was merely an analogy for understanding power consumption.
from Yuwei Lin to All Participants:
How do you measure how much power individual devices consume?
Devices like the tweet-a-watt, kill-a-watt, etc will all log the data. You can also just use a plain old volt meter if it also does current. There are lots of these smart devices now.
from kol peterson to All Attendees:
When you say 8K watts for flying, is that the total plane energy use, divided up by all passengers on the plane?
The energy calculation is the number of miles I flew (from my records of my travel) multiplied by the number of Joules of energy per passenger flying mile. This can be estimated at 1.4MJ/passenger km, and is similar to the data published in airline reports that tell you how much jetfuel they burnt and how many passenger miles they flew in a given year which can be divided out to give the energy / passenger km.
from Jim Harvey to All Attendees:
Lin, there are a number of devices you can use – the easiest plug into the wall and you plug in the device to it, and it gives you a real time reading in watts.
from Michael Pastore to All Participants:
Seth, are you eating more meat and fish than vegetables, or are vegetables more energy efficient than meat and fish production?
Vegetables are about 20 -100 times more efficient than meat. chicken is better than pork is better than beef. I don’t have the exact numbers at the top of my head, but people are working on that.
from Andy Turudic to All Attendees:
his numbers seem of by a factor of 100
from Andy Turudic to All Attendees:
off
I’m pretty sure they are close to accurate. Some are off by a factor of 2 or 3, but I know it is not 100. It is hard to measure all of these things. If you find mistakes please let me know.
from Jim Harvey to All Attendees:
That sofa and futon take a TON of energy
The important thing to note about the embodied energy of “stuff” like sofa and futon is that if you make it last 10 years instead of 1 year, then it uses the same amount of ENERGY (Joules), but uses much less POWER (Watts) because the Energy is amortised over a longer time period. It is hence easy to think these numbers are inaccurate – they are strongly dependent on how long you assume the useful lifetime of the stuff is.
Power (Watts) = Energy (Joules) / Time (Seconds)
from Pat Walsh to All Participants:
wow, the work it took to make all of this….
from Michael Pastore to All Participants:
Very impressive. I couldn’t even tell you what I ate for lunch yesterday.
from Jim Harvey to All Attendees:
Probably why he hasn’t updated it since 2007.
Untrue. I keep all of the data at www.wattzon.com and keep a running average for myself. Slowly we are developing the tools to keep a constantly updating measurement, but as you can see it is complex and hard with many components.
from Liz Pulen to All Participants:
This would be nice to see in detail.
from Bill Sandreuter to All Participants:
once you see all this laid out, imagine the economic impact that occurs when you attempt to significantly curtail energy consumption…and the embedded resistance to such change.
from Pat Walsh to All Participants:
wow – look at Qatar
from Elisabeth Robson to All Participants:
why is Qatar so energy intensive?
from KAY Voyvodich to All Participants:
Why is Qatar so high?
Energy is cheap in Qatar (oil producing nation) and hence air conditioning is free (in an economic sense). Also, without knowing the intricacies of how every country reports the data to the IEA (international energy agency) it’s hard to know if everyone measures things exactly the same way…
from Scott Ulrey to All Participants:
UK looks like half of U.S….
from Lucas Vogel to All Participants:
a/c ain’t cheap
from Dan Hanks to All Participants:
Hmm, That’s in 2003 – what’s usage like in 2009?
from Yuwei Lin to All Participants:
that data was in 2003
2009 might be lower than 2003 due to the economic crisis and people buying less stuff and using less fuel…. a nice side effect of a bad thing.
from Bobby Zimmerman to All Participants:
Wow Qatar!
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WOW!!!
from Pat Walsh to All Participants:
great image
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All the slides are available at energyliteracy.com
from Tom Roberts to All Attendees:
Is the country consumption data normalized per capita?
YES. I also have the data in total, without per capita. Unfortunately these data sets (like census data) are not updated as often as you would like.
from Jim Harvey to All Attendees:
Is inefficiency included in this flow diagram?
The inefficiency of the combustion processes for generating electricity (heating water to make steam to run turbines) are in the flow diagram. Inefficiencies at the user end, like your refrigerator, are not.
from Michael Pastore to All Participants:
this image looks like a whale
from Jim Harvey to All Attendees:
there it is
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Ryn Longmaid, Sebastopol CA down the street from O’Reilly’s Corporate Offices…
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Hi Ryn! I’m in the Sebastopol office today.
from nils-michael langenborg to All Participants:
this IS depressing…
Knowledge is not depressing. This should be seen as uplifting. Once you know the scope of the problem you can engineer a solution. We must be positive not defeatist.
from Jane Doe to All Participants:
Maybe he’ll give us some hopeful messages!
from ryn Longmaid to All Participants:
Hi Nils-Michael, GreenMBA is in the (hot)house
from Michael Pastore to All Participants:
India is low, considering its population
from Andy Turudic to All Attendees:
one man’s depression is another’s opportunity
from David Daza to All Participants:
what does GtC means?
Giga Tons of carbon – which is 1 Billion tons of carbon.
from Dan Hanks to All Participants:
Energy flow looked like a whale…so much energy lost in transmission/conversion…energy FAIL whale?
from Ben Ward to All Participants:
GtC = Gigatons of Carbon?
from Bill Sandreuter to All Participants:
GtC = giga-tons of carbon
from nils-michael langenborg to All Participants:
Giga Tons of carbon
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tks
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Tonnes or Tons?
from Andy Turudic to All Attendees:
Time to get the heck out tof Europe
from Michael Pastore to All Participants:
Global warming is undeniable. … Yet many politicians still deny it.
from pedro martinez to All Participants:
look at the blue!
from nils-michael langenborg to All Participants:
with so much heat rise in the Siberian area the permafrost will release massive amounts of methane…23x as bad as co2
from Kurt G to All Participants:
not just politicians
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as long as politicians are taking handouts from industrial megacorps, they will continue to deny it
from KAY Voyvodich to All Participants:
Will this be available on energyliteracy.com with the host doing the vo?
Maybe, but you will find other videos with voice-over of the same material there.
from nils-michael langenborg to All Participants:
no…he said just slides
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too bad
from O’Reilly Media to All Participants:
Hi Kay, we’ll have a recording of this available afterwards. You can view it either as a high quality video on YouTube in a few days or through the WebEx viewer, which lets you view the chat room also. And Saul has the slides on his site.
from Bill Sandreuter to All Participants:
regular people don’t want to give up their conveniences…businesses want to maximize profits/maintain status quo…no significant change until critical mass cross section of humanity is willing to act against their own immediate self-interest
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pessimists believe no change until some of the catastrophes happen/become visible
from Jim Harvey to All Attendees:
Jim Hansen in 2012!
from nils-michael langenborg to All Participants:
problem: the “golden” billion doesn’t want to give up its lifestyle to the other 5 billion…
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Bravo on well-designed images and materials.
from KAY Voyvodich to All Participants:
how about the whales living on krill ONLY as the most recent headlines in the Chron
from Martin Haeberli to All Participants:
another way of looking at what Bill Sandreuter says is that if we immediately allocated something like the NPV cost of our carbon contribution to energy (with perhaps a transition time of 5 – 10 years where it is discounted so people can adapt) we would be forced to immediatly pay more attention. We could even arbitrage it by letting people take current cash benefit for reducing carbon but not charge them as much now as they should pay for it…
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Nils-Michael has the right of it
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getting garbled speech…
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Will this webcast be available on demand later?
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Jeff, If you’re having audio problems, try stopping the audio broadcast and restarting it. That will help.
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Yes, it will. We’ll notify all participants when the recording is available.
from Jeff Belina to All Participants:
that worked. thanks.
from nils-michael langenborg to All Participants:
this presentation is incredibly rich…amazingly well done!!! BRAVO!
from Andy Turudic to All Attendees:
Clearly fat people are the problem – ag is one of the biggest energy users
Actually Ag isn’t one of the biggest uses. That is Cars and transport, electricity generation from coal, and heat and refrigeration. Food is probably less than 5%. That said the data for food is among the hardest to get, estimate, and be confident of.
from Bill Sandreuter to All Participants:
yes to Martin also
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how about wind power?
wind power is indirectly solar power generated by the differential heating of the atmosphere. Some from spinning of the earth too.
from Yuwei Lin to All Participants:
is that included in the gravity generated power?
from Scott Ulrey to All Participants:
Martin: exactly. Start building in “true cost” and people will make better decisions
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hyrdoelectric?
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80% of energy to produce solar is waste heat…
from Elisabeth Robson to All Participants:
problem is getting the politicians to do the right thing, we know what we need to do.
from Elisabeth Robson to All Participants:
Wish Saul could present this at the UN and/or copenhagen
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its not just about politicians there are technical issues with renewable energy
All of which have been overcome or are possible to overcome. The issues are cost we are prepared to pay for clean energy, not technology.
from james Caldwell to All Participants:
How about ground source (shallow) geothermal with heat pumps?
This is definitely the most efficient way to heat a house. The temperature of the ground not too far down is a relatively constant 50-60 degrees fahrenheit, all year round. The energy to heat or cool something is proportional to the difference between the high temperature and the low temperature. Using the ground temperature as a source means the “delta T” or difference in temperature is lower, and therefore less energy is needed to heat or cool the house/building etc.
from Elisabeth Robson to All Participants:
pedro – i meant more along the lines of “true cost”. e.g. removing agriculture subsidies, etc.
from Andy Turudic to All Attendees:
Apart from nukes, you cannot extract energy from the earth without messing it up
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Can we reduce our power consumption ?
from Elisabeth Robson to All Participants:
reduce population = reduce need for power
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what about energy ‘offsets’ from natural disasters?
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What about fusion???
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2TW solar is 1.6TW of heat….
No. These numbers are 2TW of electrical energy of solar. There will be 6 or 8 TW of heat lost somewhere, but it was coming into the atmosphere anyway.
from Andy Turudic to All Attendees:
oops sorry – it’s 2TW solar is 10TW heat
But there is 80000-120000 TW of heat already coming in.
from pedro martinez to All Participants:
increase efficiency = reduce waste = reduce consumption
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wonder if this factors in the costs of building and maintining high capacity transmission lines?
No, but that is a very small component, probably less than 1%.
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algae make CO2…
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also have to figure out energy storage with renewables for elec gen; eg. it is not windy every day nor sunny every day
Storage can be done with pumped hydro, flywheels, flow batteries, regular batteries, isotropic heat, other heat storage, or compressed air. Storage is a hard piece of the problem, but not impossible. Most storage technologies are 50-80% round trip efficiency, meaning you lose 20-50% of the energy in the conversion in and out of storage.
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yep…storage & transmission are key components…along with reducing consupmtion
from Ben Ward to All Participants:
Time to move to the Indian Ocean?
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Greece: please volunteer to supply the world’s solar power …
from Andy Turudic to All Attendees:
hyroelectric power from melting glaciers is the answer
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You could grow algae in Lake Mead and get hydro too perhaps?
from Ben Ward to All Participants:
overlay energy
from Bill Sandreuter to All Participants:
I’ve heard that wind turbine technology is close to optimized…but there is a lot more potential for improvements in solar panel efficiency
High quality wind turbines extract 50% out of a theoretical upper limit (Betz limit) of 59.6%. They are excellent, elegant machines. Solar record is around 40%, they might get to 80% if we do everything perfectly, but I suspect 50% is more realistic. Commercial cells are more typically 10-20% efficient.
from Elisabeth Robson to All Participants:
My question is: is that the world we want to be living in where we are devoting so much space to energy production? why not reduce population and reduce requirements? we could do that if we all decided to (globally)
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Advancing Fusion quickly is looking a lot more appealing
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gl with that Elisabeth 
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i know 
from nils-michael langenborg to All Participants:
we are consuming ourselves to extinction…
from KAY Voyvodich to All Participants:
We can’t wait for many of these solutions
from james Caldwell to All Participants:
However, if we build traditional homes and cars, we generate more ppm than building green homes and cars.
from Elisabeth Robson to All Participants:
i really wish the world’s leaders could see this presentation, it’s the most compelling articulation of the problem that I’ve ever seen
from Bill Sandreuter to All Participants:
the answer to Elizabeth’s question encompasses all the issues – no meaningful change until enough people “get it”.
from Michael Pastore to All Participants:
In 1950, Aldous Huxley warned about the over-population problem. The world population then was only 2.5 billion
from KAY Voyvodich to All Participants:
Its just not realistic to ‘decide’ to reduce the population as a solution
from Bill Sandreuter to All Participants:
lol…all the speculative fiction my parents told me not to read is becoming eerily “real”
from Andy Turudic to All Attendees:
with tidal power he’ll be giving up his surfing hobby
Yes, this is a danger, though waves are generated from wind, not tides.
from Jim Harvey to All Attendees:
I’d need to surf, sail, and drive a dune buggy too, to deal with what I knew if I was Saul.
from nils-michael langenborg to All Participants:
WWSD? What Would Saul Do?
from Andy Turudic to All Attendees:
vegan conspiracy at work here….
from jon cross to All Participants:
How are you going to determine reducing population, Just telling people not to breed, or education doesnt stop natual biology, Most western countries already have low to no population growth
from Bill Sandreuter to All Participants:
right, Kay…the decision is made by each individual (or pair of individuals)
from pedro martinez to All Participants:
thank you jon
from KAY Voyvodich to All Participants:
This is like the health care issue — a few of us making the right decision will not resolve the millions that will do nothing
from pedro martinez to All Participants:
yes the west should force contraception, etc on the developing natinons
from Todd Spraggins to All Participants:
Longevity of goods, there goes shopping at Walmart
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Not that I’m bored, but what time does this finish?
from ryn Longmaid to All Participants:
Need more info on the energy effeciency of the local farm vs agri-business–did he say the local farm may be less effecient?
I did say that agro business might be more “energy efficient”, but the data is not good, and like many of things the relentless pursuit of energy efficiency can ignore other things like water use, land use, soil depletion, ecosystem destruction etc. etc…. this is what makes this a uniquely hard problem.
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i am not seeing the new slide.
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neither am i
from Elisabeth Robson to All Participants:
got it now
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yay, bottle
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There!
from Jeff Belina to All Participants:
so, which is greener… for me to use my 3 year old laptop, or buy a new netbook? 
Keep your laptop as long as possible is probably the answer… depends on how frequently you use it, and the difference in their power consumption during use.
from Don Barthel to All Attendees:
Yes, amazing.
from Jeff Belina to All Participants:
great presentation, thanks!!!
from Jim Harvey to All Attendees:
Great presentation, Saul!
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Thanks, Saul!
from Michael Pastore to All Participants:
Yes, thank you, Saul !
from pedro martinez to All Participants:
jeff- netbook
from kol peterson to All Attendees:
Thanks Saul.
from Zakariyya Mughal to All Participants:
Thank you for the informative presentation.
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Thanks Saul
from Valerie Zahorski Schmidt to All Participants:
Fabulous presentation!
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thank you
from nobu Saito to All Participants:
this drink contains a lot of sugar. have you read the label?
from Bill Sandreuter to All Participants:
it will take EVERYTHING, COMBINED to make a dent in this issue and start to change our course.
from KAY Voyvodich to All Participants:
Excellent, Saul – Much appreciated!
from Raju Varghese to All Participants:
Thanks Saul for educating us on the magnitude of the problem.
from Marsee Henon to All Participants:
http://www.energyliteracy.com/
from KAY Voyvodich to All Participants:
How do we get this presentation out?
from Elisabeth Robson to All Participants:
how can we get Saul to Copenhagen to present this to the world’s leaders?
from max tite to All Participants:
SAULs – the new measurement unit of Energy Awareness!
from ryn Longmaid to All Participants:
Hopenhagen–good idea
from Michael Pastore to All Participants:
Saul can webcast to Copenhagen …
from Yuwei Lin to All Participants:
Brilliant idea – max tite
from Bill Sandreuter to All Participants:
the more people who see this and get more concerned than they are now, the better…use FaceBook, Twitter, Blogs, all the viral marketing channels you all have access to…still a tiny drop in the bucket but…something we CAN do
from Jeff Belina to All Participants:
what’s the conversion rate from SAULs to ppm?
from KAY Voyvodich to All Participants:
Please ask Saul about thoughts on fission and fusion
Fission = conventional nuclear energy. We need to have a much more nuanced debate. Very likely it is a big part of a “solution”, but it will be hard fought due to interest groups. It isn’t rational for someone to say they want to prevent climate change, they want to continue their existing lifestyle, and they don’t accept fission or nuclear energy.
Fusion = combining light atoms and producing energy instead of splitting big atoms. This is not a fantasy, but we do not yet have a working solution at scale. i would devote significant funding resources to this if I had the power to do so.
from KAY Voyvodich to All Participants:
Will we have the audio?
from Philip Reid to All Participants:
fascinating and disturbing
from Marsee Henon to All Participants:
The next O’Reilly Radar Global Issues Series webcast “Nuclear Energy: Future Directions” by Per F. Peterson will take place on Thursday, October 15. Please join us. http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/e/1400
from Michael Pastore to All Participants:
And don’t forget about Al Gore’s film and book, An Inconvenient Truth
from Jeff Belina to All Participants:
united nations and other worldly organizations need to hear this
from Gary Sorin to All Participants:
where on energyliteracy.org can i find the things he refers to?
from Ben Ward to All Participants:
Thanks for the webcast. I’m off in my Range Rover Sport to burn some puffins before I jump off a cliff.
from Ben Ward to All Participants:
Srsly though, it was very interesting and gives me a sense of urgency and impotence all at once.
from Raju Varghese to All Participants:
Gary it is http://www.energyliteracy.com/
from Don Barthel to All Attendees:
We forgive your travel, Saul, its important for you to get the word out.
from Michael Pastore to All Participants:
I will stay home, so that Saul can travel far.
from pedro martinez to All Participants:
Saul – how about clean coal; how big an impact
Depends on what people mean. Clean coal can just mean lower emission of SOx and NOx (nitrous and sulfurus oxides) which doesn’t have any impact really on CO2. Clean coal could mean fully sequestered CO2 (CCS) but we don’t really KNOW if that works at full scale.
from Michael Vinogradov to All Participants:
Thanks Saul
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thanks, Saul!
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thank you Raju
from David Daza to All Participants:
tks, great presentation
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thank you saul. hope see you in the water.
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thanks
from Bill Sandreuter to All Participants:
GREAT STUFF, Saul! Thank you, O’Reilly also
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Thank you, Saul. Thank you everyone.
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thanks – good stuff o’reilly
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thanks much!
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Thank you!
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w00t
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Bravo !
from J Shelby to All Participants:
Where is Sauls Blog???
You are at it if you are reading this. Also bloggin here are Jim McBride and Joel Rosenberg.
from adrian delisser to All Participants:
Impressive presentation.
